So Avi had the courage to talk about things like, Mua Mua for example, and also write a lot of really interesting papers about how the universe could be populated with intelligent life and the things we should look out for. So I was always a fan of his work and I saw him on Joe Rogan and saw him on Lex Friedman and we both share a friendship with Lex Friedman. So eventually, when he wanted some financing to go to Papua New Guinea and actually launch an expedition to retrieve something that had fallen into the ocean in 2014 that had a high probability of being an anomaly, I said alright, well let me take a look at the science.
Netflix shot a documentary of it; they were on board the ship with us. It's going to be a 90-minute feature, and it's being done by Jason Cohen, he's a great director. And then we'll, you know, get some more popularity as time goes through, publicity. For example, we're probably going to do Joe Rogan or something like that.
Thoughts on Andrew Tate? You know, occasionally I get asked questions about various very controversial people like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan or Sam Harris or what have you. And they represent different parts of the political spectrum and the philosophical spectrum. So, Andrew is this guy. Apparently, he's quite popular in certain alt right circles, and he's part of that red pill movement or even black pill, and he basically is taking a very misogynistic view of the universe.
I'd like to meet him. I'd like to spend some time with them, and I'd like to understand. Is there a delta between the Alex Jones we see on Joe Rogan and Freedom what he calls it. And name will come to me in a moment. His Infowars there, we go is there like a Delta between the Infowars and that and who he actually is as a human being.
These things, if you look at the ratings usually have about 50 million people who watch. Avi Loeb was also on the Joe Rogan experience, so you know, it's great to look for these things, but it's also great to get some exposure and be able to show a human element of curiosity. And I think it's great marketing and its great visibility for who we are, what we're about and our commitment to good science.
Joe Rogan really needs to have you on. Well, I've been trying to get on Rogan. You know, it's just an issue of timing and other things. We got the psychedelics research. I'm a bison rancher. We do guided hunts. I'm literally discovering alien shit in in Papua New Guinea, and I run six companies. We’ve got glowing plants. We are bringing it back the woolly mammoth, you know. Created Cardano, helped create Ethereum. At what point are you an interesting guest for a guy like Rogan, it's like, come on, guys.
Do you have a DMT story to share now on Joe Rogan I literally have a device right there. The Rock Siva that causes you to get into a psychedelic state under the right conditions.
Any opinion on Bob Lazar, Jeremy Corbell and the UFO sightings and discussion? Bob lazar? I think he was on Joe Rogan and a few of these other guys. He certainly believes that he was working at Area 51, doing cool stuff.
We have no political diversity of thought. If you don't follow the orthodoxy that's been pre-decided by people you've never met, never will meet, you're considered to be illegitimate. The most popular podcaster in America, whose ratings are often the aggregate of Fox News, CNN, MSNBC together, is Joe Rogan. Never once has he mentioned in mainstream media as the most popular podcaster in America and an influential and powerful person.
It's "alt-right comedian Joe Rogan, vaccine denier." So, this is the challenge of our time. We have to change the way we communicate and interact with each other, and we have to feel the wins, and we have to have a collective empathy and understand each other, and we have to engage in meaningful dialogues.
Which I I think will probably help people out a lot and instead of these being secrets that are guarded by a collective few, these are things that are percolating throughout the world at the speed of the Internet, especially through the intellectual dark web. I mean all you have to do is listen to Tim Ferris or Joe Rogan or any of these other guys and gals, and you'll have a wealth of information about various topics from people like Paul Stamets who talk about what mushrooms can do for us and all sorts of ways like lions, Maine can regenerate nerves.
Joe Rogan podcast from Tom Kost. Love Joe Rogan love the intellectual dark web. I listened to Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson and the others in that group regularly, both on the left and the right. It's really amazing to me that some of the smartest people who are given the freedom to engage and interact on a multi hour format and actually have a direct relationship ith the consumers of the media so it's almost as if it's a conversation as opposed to a broadcast are also people who tend to be completely ignored by the mainstream media.
Joe Rogan probably has as many aggregate listeners and as much impact as Bill O'Reilly ever did, or Anderson Cooper ever did. Yet for some reason the media considers him to be an entertainer or comedian, the man is not the man is guy with a huge following who talks about really interesting things from lifestyle things like life extension and ketogenic diets to alternative diets like the carnivore diet or consequences of veganism.
And a lot of these people, more than 30-40% of them, consume podcasts. So and they they listen to things like Joe Rogan. So it's not just the erudite who has the PhD sitting with the luxury and has had it office. The glass of Sherry saying, oh, now let me be stimulated by the intellectual dark web.
This is truly cutting across all economic zones and lines, so the succinct short answer is yes. I would love to be on the Joe Rogan podcast. It'd be a heck of a lot of fun to meet him, talk to him, spend some time with him, be fun to talk to Tim Ferris. It'd be fun to talk to Sam Harris, I think we do a lot of good there now in terms of the greatest bang for our buck I think would be probably more productive for me to be on that show once we have smart contracts and Shelley out the door because in addition to going on and being aspirational and telling the world about all the cool things we could do in the future, I'd be able to say download the software.
Because of it, and I'd recommend any entrepreneur do that. But you know, there's actually a lot of great lifestyle blogs and podcasts. Tim Ferris has some really good ideas, as does Joe Rogan with his guests that can constantly come on.
When you're in a tribe and you see your neighbors every day, there's a regulation and your behavior. There's a regulation and how you interact with people, but you know Twitter, you have 100,000 followers or millions of followers, you know, for example, you and Musk with the smoking pot on the Joe Rogan Pot to cast the guy works 100 hours a week. He's under enormous stress. He has huge social pressures.